After six months using the Alfons Ven Lyme Package, I’ve learned a lot about how it worked on me and what its limits were. The first four months, I saw big improvements. The last two months, I seemed to get worse, as if the formula wasn’t strong enough to combat the infections.
I am aware that some other people who have taken it decided it didn’t work at some point, but kept going an saw improvement again later. I decided not to continue with the Ven remedies for a variety of reasons, some related to the effectiveness, and some related to other plans I have.
The big question I get by email is whether other people should try it. I don’t have a definitive answer. As best as I can tell, it was helpful at first. I think it stimulates and heals the immune system. However, even with a strong immune system, I am unable to overcome the tick-borne illnesses I’ve had for fifteen years. An improved immune system gave me an initial boost against the infections, which, I believe, gave me herxes and reduced symptoms for several months. However, my immune system, no matter how strong, cannot make progress against these infections (as I know from various other immune system boosting supplements I’ve taken in the past) without an external microbicide (such as a coil machine, antibiotics, TCM herbal formulas, etc.). For people who have had a tick-bite more recently and have finished antibiotics, I can say only that CHIM won’t hurt. It might not change your chances of getting a chronic infection, but it might help your body address any other possible issues.
The Basics
The Alfons Ven Lyme Package has two required parts: CHIM and FLUOX. Both of these are generally in the category of homeopathic remedies, but they are not based in classical homeopathy. Alfons Ven developed a different approach to what goes into the pills. There is an additional, non-homeopathic remedy, that I purchased and that the website suggests: AVIVA. I used this intermittently the first month and found that it made no difference for me. I now have several bottles left. I don’t recommend purchasing AVIVA.
CHIM comes as a 28 doses taken in consecutive order, once per day (or less frequently if the die-off symptoms are overwhelming). They are pills made of lactose that dissolve under the tongue or can be swallowed. Whatever is active in them is not chemical. Generally it is recommended to take them at the same time every day, before bed. I support this suggestion, as I had an increase in symptoms, possibly from the die-off, after I took my nightly dose if I didn’t go right to sleep.
FLUOX comes in a 100-dose tube that dispenses one lactose pill at a time. It is taken in the morning, at least 6 hours after CHIM (and 6 hours before the next dose of CHIM). When more than one dose is needed or desired, a second pill can be taken at least 2 hours after the first. No more than three doses should be taken per day. I found that taking three doses a day for more than a few days released stored toxins and made my symptoms worse, rather than clearing them up.
I took FLUOX for about a week before I started CHIM to clear out whatever was already circulating in my body. I took 2 doses of FLUOX most days while I was taking CHIM. When I had heart symptoms, I sometimes went up to 3 doses of FLUOX a day for a few days.
I took six packages of CHIM. In between the last dose of one package and the first dose of the next, I waited 4 to 8 days. During that time, I continued to take FLUOX, 2 to 3 doses per day, to clear out toxins before I began the next series of die-off reactions.
According to the Alfon Ven website, nothing interferes with the remedies. Other medications, other supplements and a normal diet can be taken at the same time. According to the lyme-symptoms.com website (mostly offline at the time I’m writing this post), there are many things to avoid while taking CHIM and FLUOX. Primarily, other chemical agents that kill Lyme (like antibiotics and microbicidal herbs) also tend to put it into a dormant form, making it harder to eradicate. Avoiding such chemicals can allow the CHIM to work more fully. I agree with this idea and avoided other methods for killing infections. Having said that, I see no reason not to take CHIM while on antibiotics to help rebalance the body as long as the herx reactions aren’t too strong.
According to lyme-symptoms.com, using a Rife machine (such as the coil machine I use) will not interfere with CHIM. Rife machines kill the bacteria and other microbes that cause chronic infection without putting them into a dormant form. I did not use the coil machine because I thought the herxes might be overwhelming and because I wanted to see if the Ven remedies worked.
On the other hand, the CHIM gave me strong herx symptoms (kidney pain, diarrhea, heart palpitations, headaches, etc.). I needed assistance for my body to process the toxins. I chose to use herbs and supplements that help clear away toxins but do not have microbicidal properties.
- Herbs: chanca piedra, milk thistle, dandelion root
- Supplements: coenzyme Q-10, N-acetylcysteine, magnesium
Expectations
Before I tried the Alfons Ven remedies, I read about them and talked to a few people who have used them or are currently using them. I was simultaneously skeptical and hopeful. One person I corresponded with claimed to be completely cured, as did several testimonials on the Lyme Package website. Since I’ve done several years of antibiotics followed by several years of coiling, I was hoping that the Lyme Package would allow me to cross the finish line. The main problem I was still having before I ordered the remedies came from a Bartonella infection in my central nervous system. I thought, maybe, just maybe, that CHIM would complete the process of either getting rid of the infection or putting it into remission. At first, I guessed that I would need 4 months of the remedy. After consulting with the author of the lyme-symptoms.com website, I thought it would take 5 to 6 months. From the experience of others, I knew that there might be a rough month, but I was assured that the month after the bad one would make things much, much better. I was hopeful.
The skeptical part of me wondered: Are these just sugar pills? Will they do anything at all? The answer was pretty obvious, even after the first dose. I had a strong die-off reaction. So I knew it was doing something. The question then was whether it would be strong enough to get rid of the infections altogether.
Experience
I’ve documented the daily symptoms and experiences of Alfons Ven in the previous seven posts. To give an overview, I had herx reactions from the beginning. They continued throughout the time that I took CHIM. At first, I felt like I was getting better, and that the symptoms seemed mostly like the kind I get with herxes. However, by the time I got to the sixth package of CHIM, I had symptoms that seemed much more like a seasonal flare. Instead of getting better, I felt like I got worse in a short time and that all improvements were erased. It seemed like the seasonal flare, which happens when the infections go into overdrive twice a year, overpowered whatever headway the remedy had made. It was similar to coiling the right frequencies, but not enough: the herx appears but no progress is made.
The interesting aspect of the Ven remedy is that it seemed to treat different infections for a few days to a week at a time over the course of a month. For a while I would have Lyme herx symptoms, such as diarrhea and fatigue. Then I would have Babesia herx symptoms, such as headaches and drenching night sweats. Then I would switch to Bartonella herx symptoms, such as kidney pain and constipation. Then it would switch again, and again, and again. What I couldn’t tell after the first four months, was whether these herx reactions were leading to a whittling away of the infections, or whether the remedy was helping my body play whack-a-mole. By this, I mean that one infection would calm down, but not be reduced past the previous time it was treated. Then when my body was working on the next infection, the first one would get worse again. When I went back to the first, I was herxing, just to get back to where I was the last time I herxed.
It seemed to me that I was going in circles, rather than going forward, when it came to making progress on the infections. Furthermore, as the months went by, I experienced brain fog more often and more intensely.
Separately, however, I think CHIM helped to heal my hormonal and immune systems. My menstrual cycle went through two changes until I stopped needing the supplement that I took for years to keep it regular. My immune system seemed to respond to the external environment more appropriately, until the seasonal Lyme flare (which triggered flares of Babesia and Bartonella).
Comparison to other treatments
There are some benefits to taking the Alfons Ven treatments, compared to many of the other treatments out there.
- I didn’t have to know what infections I had for CHIM to work. Unlike a coil machine, which requires identifying the infections I want to treat, picking the appropriate frequencies, and irradiating the parts of the body where they grow, CHIM attacks everything. Antibiotics and many anti-microbial herbs also have effectiveness on some infections and not others or are effective on certain bodily systems (e.g., joints vs nervous system), so many agents need to be taken to cover multiple infections. Traditional Chinese Medicine herbal formulas must also change over time to cover the changes in symptoms as the infections or healing process progress.
- CHIM helps heal the body’s repair mechanisms and other systems. A coil machine kills of the infections but leaves the body to do the clean up and self-repair (notwithstanding some frequencies that purportedly assist the process but that I haven’t experienced firsthand). Antibiotics and some anti-microbial herbs can damage the body’s repair mechanisms and cause other damaging side effects to the gut and other systems. Traditional Chinese Medicine formulas tend to help with both the infections and rebalancing the body.
- CHIM has no side effects. The quantity of lactose is so small that it doesn’t actually need to be digested to pass through the body (less than 12 grams over 28 days). According to the Alfons Ven website, it is safe for people with lactose intolerance. The coil machine also has no side effects. Other chemically based treatments (antibiotics, anti-microbial herbs, TCM formulas) tend to have additional effects on the body besides the intended ones.
- CHIM and FLUOX are portable and easy to consume. The Ven remedies don’t require a change in diet, or a complicated schedule for taking them. The coil machine requires a lot of time on a daily basis and is to large to bring when I travel. Antibiotics do best when used with a low-carbohydrate diet to prevent candida infections. IV antibiotics require time to dispense them. Unlike some TCM and other herbal formulas, Ven remedies don’t taste bad.
Despite these benefits, there was a major drawback: the Ven remedies weren’t strong enough to tackle chronic infections. I can’t overstate the importance of this problem. Compared to coiling for the infections I’ve discussed, I felt that I lost ground, rather than gained ground, while taking CHIM. In many ways, the Ven remedies reminded me of oral antibiotics and some of the herbal combinations I’ve taken before. They work initially, providing a real benefit, but, over time, they lose potency compared to the infections. The only antibiotics that seemed stronger than CHIM in their ability to reduce symptoms and kill the infection longer term were intravenous antibiotics.
There is one additional aspect of the Ven remedies worth noting. CHIM does not suppress the infections. In this way, it is similar to using a coil machine and different from the various chemical methods of fighting chronic tick-borne infections. The advantage is that it doesn’t leave an unquantified reservoir of dormant bacteria that can come roaring back later. The disadvantage is that I stayed symptomatic even during the initial progress against the infections.
Would I use CHIM again?
Or maybe the question is: why did I stop? I stopped because I gave myself a timeline to see how it works. If I could do it all over again, I might have stopped after 4 months (now that I know that was the peak benefit) or I might have continued for the full six months while also using a coil machine.
I can say for sure that I would not take CHIM as my sole treatment for chronic tick-borne infections for any extended time in the future. If however, I needed to be away from the coil machine for a month, I would consider CHIM to be an acceptable short-term alternative, the way I have used Traditional Chinese Medicine formulas in the past two years.
On the other hand, given the benefits of CHIM in helping with other bodily systems, I would consider using it concomitantly with the coil machine, coiling for the infections that CHIM is not addressing at a given time or tackling one infection with the machine and using CHIM to cover the rest of the bases.
Categories: Alfons Ven Lyme Package, detoxification support, healing process, Herx reactions
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Coiling for Lyme 
I wanted to thank you (again 😉 for sharing, in such detail, your experiences and opinions. I wish it had been the “magic bullet” for you. You are an inspiration and a true warrior! 💚
Thank you for your kind words. I, too, wish the Ven remedies had been the magic bullet that finally got me past the infections. Unfortunately, they provided only temporary relief and lulled me onto a relapse. Oh well. There is nothing to do but keep trying to find a way to get rid of these infections.